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Post by Chibichan on Mar 17, 2004 21:53:20 GMT -5
It's sorta like David Lettermen's top ten list, but DW related! I thought of this one up while playing DW4 (sadly trying to level up Zhou Yu... somehow I'm not doing too good). Okay, here's my first one... feel free to add some of your own!
--Top Ten Reasons Why I Dislike Lu Xun--
*warning: yes, I know I'm his biggest fan, but there are just sometimes where I wanna RING HIS NECK!
10) His range leaves a lot to be desired, especially when going against the poleaxes and spear boys.
9) Going against him in DW3 at Yi Ling is hell; he was one simple strategy once you approach him. Hide behind all of Sun Quan's archers. Smart little demon.
8) Him always getting lost in the Stone Sentinal Maze on DW4 is humorous, but annoying when Zhuge Liang decides to attack you from the rear.
7) Sometimes you wonder WHY he was considered a great strategist as he seems to love to either run in circles, or go straight into the unruly mob and get himself killed five minutes within entering He Fei (DW4)
6) His 'Spock'-like voices leaves you wondering if Vulcans truly do exist (DW4 really... I find he shouts too much in DW3, and his English VA is suck a little... I hate him, nuff said.)
5) No matter what the situation or who the lover, he is ALWAYS on the bottom
4) The fact that he steals ALL of the cut scenes in the Nanman campaign is annoying. Even steal your victory cry when you get a thousand kills (that... was so annoying)
3) Let's not even START on the Nanman Campaign!
2) After reading how he was in the book, you realize that he's suddenly gone downhill... if that's even possible.
And the Number 1 reason why I sometimes despise Lu Xun is... (drummroll)
1) Did I mention that his range is utter crap?!
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Post by Achilles on Apr 12, 2004 11:43:55 GMT -5
10 reasons why I hate Lu Bu
10)-Hes got no brains
9)-Hes just a big lunk head
8)-He is so dumb
7)-His vocabulary is limited to about 10 words
6)-He rides around as if he rules the world
5)-Everyone is scared of him and that really annoys me
4)-He keeps using that stupid charge move
3)-He cheats
2)-Every time you nearly kill him he heals himself
1)-DIAO CHAN!!!!!!!!! shut up Lu Bu you toss pot.
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Post by Sky Scorcher on Apr 12, 2004 12:32:20 GMT -5
10 reasons why I hate people who hate Lu Bu.
10) They don't understand how he really was.
9) Just because he is good, you hate him.
8) If he has a grab attack, then he will use it.
7) He wasn't stupid, he mainly listened to Chen Gong's advice.
6) He knew how important the alliance with Yuan Shu and Liu Bei was.
5) He wasn't completely about betrayal.
4) He did what he felt had to be done, even if it was betrayal in some aspects.
3) They wish that they were as good as him.
2) They wish that they had as much skill and value as him.
1) He might have pleaded for his life, but you would have done the exact same thing if you knew a way to get out of execution.
This just proves a point. Lu Bu doesn's suck, he just annoys you in areas where you or your character lacks.
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Post by Achilles on Apr 18, 2004 16:57:03 GMT -5
10 reasons why I hate people who hate Lu Bu. 10) They don't understand how he really was. 9) Just because he is good, you hate him. 8) If he has a grab attack, then he will use it. 7) He wasn't stupid, he mainly listened to Chen Gong's advice. 6) He knew how important the alliance with Yuan Shu and Liu Bei was. 5) He wasn't completely about betrayal. 4) He did what he felt had to be done, even if it was betrayal in some aspects. 3) They wish that they were as good as him. 2) They wish that they had as much skill and value as him. 1) He might have pleaded for his life, but you would have done the exact same thing if you knew a way to get out of execution. This just proves a point. Lu Bu doesn's suck, he just annoys you in areas where you or your character lacks. Watever Lu Bu was just a big lunk head. I hate him so much! Ever since DW2 I have hated his smug little face the big fat smack head. What is with that stupid hat! and Diao Chan! The only word i can use is Why? |
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Post by Sky Scorcher on Apr 18, 2004 19:16:55 GMT -5
I have gotten into this with many people before, and I can go on and on in justification of Lu Bu. He wasn't even a lunk-head, you would know that if you read the book.
Before you post something again, please come up with something better than "He was a big lunk-head."
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Post by Sleipner on Apr 20, 2004 5:34:01 GMT -5
Are we talking about the books or the games here?
If it's the games then i love to face Lu Bu as an enemy but i don't really like to play as him. To me, he is not as enjoyable as other characters. Facing him should be the hardest challenge as he was the strongest warrior alive at the time.
As for the book. Lu Bu was definately not as bad as people seem to think. He's worst deed was betraying Ding Yuan - but at least he betrayed Dong Zhuo after ;D
He was not as unintelligent as he is portrayed either - he was no strategist but he did actually discuss plans and decisions with his council.
You have to give Lu Bu credit for being the strongest warrior alive, i just wonder why all the 3k games portray him so badly (DT2 is the worst for this in my opinion)
Back to topic - My top 5 of why Wu should not have attacked Guan Yu in 219. (i can't think of 10!)
5. Would you want to be a vassal of Cao Cao?
4. Wei were the strongest - so why attack Shu and cripple both of you (you can imagine Cao Cao sitting in Xu Chang laughing at Wu attacking jing.)
3. Why don't Wu try attacking He Fei - not done that one before ....
2. Lu Meng - Would he have still been alive?
1. Liu Bei would not go to his death at Yi Ling - no more Liu Chan on the Thone!!
Top 5 of why Wu should have attacked Jing in 219.
5. Cao Cao offered presents - and everyone likes presents.
4. Wu would rather fight anyone other then Zhang Liao.
3. The Wu army were really going on a friendly pilgramage to the northwest when the Shu army got in the way.
2. Guan Yu is not the strongest now is he!
1. It gives Lu Xun the chance to shine at Yi Ling, and introduces him to Fire!!
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Post by boogiepopmeup on Apr 20, 2004 20:38:48 GMT -5
zhang liao didn't. i think i woulda done what zhang liao did instead. we all know what happened 2 him.
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Post by Sky Scorcher on Apr 20, 2004 22:10:03 GMT -5
Well, he didn't see the exact same way that Lu Bu saw out of execution. Maybe he lacked honor in his methods, but others did it including Cao Cao, Liu Bei, Sun Quan, and even some loyalists in history.
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Post by Iain on Apr 21, 2004 2:54:36 GMT -5
Well this is turning into quite the indepth commentary of Lu Bu and his life. Lets take that kind of discussion over to the 3K area please, this is supposed to be a fun 'top ten list' thread.  |
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Post by Sky Scorcher on Apr 21, 2004 20:56:11 GMT -5
Sorry about that. I just don't like it when people flame Lu Bu when all they say is that he is a meat-head.
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Post by Chibichan on Apr 22, 2004 5:27:33 GMT -5
HOOT! FIRE!!!!!! Top Ten (Worst) Alternate Voices for the DW series. 10.) Lu Xun being voiced by Michael Jackson (I seriously hate that guy) 9.) Cao Cao being voiced by that dude that did Hades in 'Disney's Hercules' (I'd want to catch his hair on fire... mwahaha) 8.) Jackie Chan voicing anyone 7.) Anyone from DW3's English cast 6.) Zhu Rong voiced by Roseanne (tell me you remember that lady! ARGH... most annoying voice ever, but fitting for Zhu Rong and her constant nagging) 5.) Yue Ying voiced by Roseanne (poor Zhuge Liang) 4.) Sun Jian voiced by Rimmer from 'Red Dwarf' (I'd probably like him more) 3.) Guan Yu voiced by a high pitcvhed man... possibly Michael Jackson again (Imagine his death cry!) 2.) Lu Bu voiced by Michael Jackson! (again, IMAGINE THE DEATH CRY!) And the worst alternative voice possible for any DW character is... 1.) Lu Meng being voiced by BENDER (of Futurama). Wait... HE ALREADY IS! *cries* Lu Xun: Ah, the fire attack didn't work! What do we do, Lord Lu Meng? Lu Meng: *pulls out some beer* We're boned. interdragnet.co.uk/snd/bender-mindnumbing.wav |
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Post by sephiroth on Apr 22, 2004 16:00:15 GMT -5
top 10 reasons y i hate sima yi
10)he stupid
9)he ugly
8)stupid voice
7)he weak
6)he has terrible range
5)thinks he smart
4)thinks he better than zhuge which is impossible
3)his musou sucks cause u can hardly move
2)was terrible jin
1)I HATE HIM
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Post by Chibichan on Apr 22, 2004 20:39:10 GMT -5
top 10 reasons y i hate sima yi 10)he stupid 9)he ugly 8)stupid voice 7)he weak 6)he has terrible range 5)thinks he smart 4)thinks he better than zhuge which is impossible 3)his musou sucks cause u can hardly move 2)was terrible jin 1)I HATE HIM Awwwwww, you make me sad! Top Ten Reasons Why I Love Sima Yi 10.) He's quite a bad ass if you train him correctly (with the right orb, I bitchslap even Lu Bu) 9) Clone of Zhuge Liang is never a bad thing 8.) Black will ALWAYS be a better color than White (it doesn't stain as easily, she he probably would do more than Zhuge would, who probably fear grass stains) 7.) He's not overrated like Zhuge Liang is 6.) His legend mode involves more rear-kicking and ultimate SHAFTING of Shu than Zhuge's quest to beat down his wife in a horrible abusive manner over and over again (Zhuge's legend mode stinks) 5.) He gets some of the best lines in DW4 (And his VA isn't too bad either... though it's the same VA for Zhuge Liang and Wei Yan). 4.) Keeping him alive is ultimately easier than keeping Zhuge Liang alive 3.) Though his range ultimately sUxx0rs, his attacks do more damage than Zhuge Liang's 2.) He has better cut scenes than Zhuge Liang (DW3.... I luff that scene) 1.) He's the ultimate WINNER of the whole Three Kigndoms... can't say the same for 'Master' Zhuge Liang, can we? |
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Post by Iain on Apr 22, 2004 21:43:19 GMT -5
OH yeah, well try this one..
Top Ten reasons Zhuge Liang is cool.
10.Is brave enough to sit alone in a castle pretending to Sima there is a trap to be sprung there, AND IT WORKS!!
9. Gets Zhang Fei, Guan Yu and others to excell themselfs to the upmost by the same ignoring and unsure tricks EVERY TIME!!
8.Let Liu Bei visit him three times before he even bothers to help Shu.
7.Talks Wang Lang to death, which is probably easier than fighting him anyway.
6.Keeps Sima Yi so afraid at Wu Zhang he doesnt hardly ever leave his base for fear of defeat or capture.
5. Sends Sima Yi a womans outfit to wear and still Sima doesnt attack Shu!!
4. Gives Zhang He one of the most spectacular deaths ever in the three kingdoms period.(think arrows, bombs and rocks.)
3.Doesnt go with Liu Bei to Yi Ling, to share in Liu's biggest defeat ever. (smart)
2. Gets rid of the inefficent Ma Su by asigning him an important command and making him sign a pledge to protect a key position. Then acting suprised when Ma Su fails!!
And the number one reason Zhuge Liang is cool.....
1. Even after death, Zhuge still trapped Sima Yi in a ambush chasing his retreating army and had Wei Yan killed in the process also. Not bad for a deceased strategist.
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Post by Chibichan on Apr 22, 2004 21:54:18 GMT -5
I was liking that one until the end... you dare defile my WEI YAN?! DOMO!!!!!!
J/k...
As much as I hate the fact that Luo GLORIFIES Zhuge Liang in the same manner that Jacques Louis David glorified Napoleon and I hate GODLY figures, he finally grew on me at the end when he started becoming, well, human.
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