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Post by Shuist on Apr 18, 2004 17:42:55 GMT -5
Even though the Yellow Scarves were being pushed back, the killing blow was definitely the illness of Zhang Jiao.What if he didn't get sick and die? You think the Scarves could've continued to fight?
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Post by Iain on May 21, 2004 22:19:49 GMT -5
Even though the Yellow Scarves were being pushed back, the killing blow was definitely the illness of Zhang Jiao.What if he didn't get sick and die? You think the Scarves could've continued to fight? The Yellow Turbans were a doomed bunch really, without proper leadership they werent going anywhere, Zhang Jiao may have been a wizz at converting people and the occasional magic trick but really when it came to military prowess on the battlefield, the superior Han forces had the Turbans beat everytime. Add the militia armies of Liu Bei, Cao Cao and even Sun Jian and it didnt look too rosey for Zhang Jaio at all even if he did live longer.
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Post by TigerLord on May 23, 2004 12:18:34 GMT -5
The Yellow Turbans were a doomed bunch really, without proper leadership they werent going anywhere, Zhang Jiao may have been a wizz at converting people and the occasional magic trick but really when it came to military prowess on the battlefield, the superior Han forces had the Turbans beat everytime. Add the militia armies of Liu Bei, Cao Cao and even Sun Jian and it didnt look too rosey for Zhang Jaio at all even if he did live longer. Yes the Yellow Turbans were not really a menace to any real army, more to the poor innocents they murdered everywhere.
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Post by Shikanosuke on Jun 10, 2004 22:51:51 GMT -5
Do you think Liu Bei's assault would have been more successful had Zhang Fei not been tragically murdered?
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Post by Sky Scorcher on Jun 11, 2004 8:39:20 GMT -5
More than likely, since Zhang Fei had the might and name to frighten the Wu army, just like he did Cao Cao at Chang Ban bridge.
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Post by boogiepopmeup on Jun 11, 2004 23:02:16 GMT -5
yes, but that would have had little effect on liu bei's poor camp site decision.
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Post by Sky Scorcher on Jun 12, 2004 10:14:26 GMT -5
It might have, but then again, Liu Bei was so intensely angry. This was probably the first time that he ended up fighting for "himself," and he ended up losing.
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Post by Iain on Jun 12, 2004 14:29:07 GMT -5
It was Zhang Fei's return to Cheng Du months after Guan Yu's death that re-awakened Liu Bei's fury for revenge as Zhang reminded him of the 'oath' they all took years before. Liu Bei had finally been calmed down by Zhuge Liang and others and was considering war on the new Wei leader Cao Pi who had just disposed of the last Han emperor and set himself up as 'King of Wei'
If Zhang Fei had taken longer or not been as gung ho for revenge things might have worked out differently foe Shu, Sun Quan and Wu would probably have joined Liu Bei on an attack on Wei and let the past fade away hopefully.
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Post by Shikanosuke on Jun 14, 2004 23:10:28 GMT -5
It was Zhang Fei's return to Cheng Du months after Guan Yu's death that re-awakened Liu Bei's fury for revenge as Zhang reminded him of the 'oath' they all took years before. Liu Bei had finally been calmed down by Zhuge Liang and others and was considering war on the new Wei leader Cao Pi who had just disposed of the last Han emperor and set himself up as 'King of Wei' If Zhang Fei had taken longer or not been as gung ho for revenge things might have worked out differently foe Shu, Sun Quan and Wu would probably have joined Liu Bei on an attack on Wei and let the past fade away hopefully. I had not thought much about a Wu-Shu alliance reforming. Perhaps I was thinking short-scale, but I think Zhang Fei may have been able to either increase the possibility of Shu's success at Yi Ling or at least have managed a better retreat since he was a vertran general. Had Wu fallen to Shu the tables would have definitely turned on Wei. But I guess thats an 'If' thing.
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