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Post by Sleipner on May 1, 2004 18:33:16 GMT -5
The advantage that Sima Yi had over Zhou Yu was the fact that he knew more about warfare strategy. Zhou Yu was more of a tactical general. Plus Sima had the experience of facing Zhuge which made him a better strategist.
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Post by boogiepopmeup on May 3, 2004 12:41:38 GMT -5
no sima yi just holed himself up on the defensive. sima yi didn't know more than zhou yu. every strategist of the time had access to most of the same books of warfare, mainly sun tzu's writings. and once you've learned something "experience" isn't anything but repetition. it's funny you say that zhou yu was a tactical general and sima was better at warfare strategy when they're really the same thing.
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Post by Sleipner on May 4, 2004 5:33:11 GMT -5
Strategy is the entire area that encompasses a war - timing of war, diplomacy, supplies required, emotions of war. Sima understood strategy better then Zhou, He knew when to fight and when not to fight. Plus Sima did get experience of facing Zhuge, he knew the type of moves that Zhuge would try and thus countered them.
Where Zhou Yu excelled was when the troops were actually at war - he used ploys and tricks to defeat the enemy - tactics are what are performed actually in battle (ambushes, spies).
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Post by Tenbatsu on May 4, 2004 9:33:33 GMT -5
You guys are getting off topic. This thread is not for debating about who knew more about tactics or strategy. Start talking about who you DO NOT LIKE.
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Post by Chibichan on May 4, 2004 21:31:48 GMT -5
Good boy, Tenbatsu. You get a cookie. Let's try to stay on topic here, alright?
Back to the topic, I've realized how much I disliked Dian Wei for the longest of time. Sure, he did save Cao Cao from being brutally massacred and all, but he was more acknowledged then Cao Cao's own sons that died (even the horse got a better funeral than the sons). But then again, Cao Cao did have a lot of sons to spare, so I could sorta see why. But I dislike how many fans (and every now and then in the book) they'd try to compared Xu Chu to Dian Wei, I much prefered Xu Chu, ESPECIALLY at Tong Gate!
Just that KOEI decides to make Dian Wei a more... well, likeable character to play as. Poor Xu Chu.
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Post by Sleipner on May 5, 2004 9:53:54 GMT -5
Sorry about going off topic there, perhaps there should be a topic just for general discussions.
I dislike Sun Quan in the books. For some reason the book gives the impression that he was not as good in running Wu as i thought - and they only survived because of the senior officers.
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Post by boogiepopmeup on May 7, 2004 10:45:05 GMT -5
Strategy is the entire area that encompasses a war - timing of war, diplomacy, supplies required, emotions of war. Sima understood strategy better then Zhou, He knew when to fight and when not to fight. Plus Sima did get experience of facing Zhuge, he knew the type of moves that Zhuge would try and thus countered them. Where Zhou Yu excelled was when the troops were actually at war - he used ploys and tricks to defeat the enemy - tactics are what are performed actually in battle (ambushes, spies). no no. zhou knew when and when not to fight as well. i see nothing that shows sima being better than zhou. who cares if sima knew more about politics.
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Post by Tenbatsu on May 7, 2004 11:22:54 GMT -5
Read my post above. The "who knows more about strategy/tactics" conversation is dead. Stay on topic or go make another thread to talk about strategists and their knowledge.
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Post by TigerLord on May 8, 2004 13:47:59 GMT -5
Good boy, Tenbatsu. You get a cookie. Let's try to stay on topic here, alright? Back to the topic, I've realized how much I disliked Dian Wei for the longest of time. Sure, he did save Cao Cao from being brutally massacred and all, but he was more acknowledged then Cao Cao's own sons that died (even the horse got a better funeral than the sons). But then again, Cao Cao did have a lot of sons to spare, so I could sorta see why. But I dislike how many fans (and every now and then in the book) they'd try to compared Xu Chu to Dian Wei, I much prefered Xu Chu, ESPECIALLY at Tong Gate! Just that KOEI decides to make Dian Wei a more... well, likeable character to play as. Poor Xu Chu. Had I been in Cao Cao's place I would have honored Dian Wei in the same way as he did. A subordinate's worth in that period was determined by what service he rendered to his lord and Dian Wei surpassed all of Cao Cao's sons. I'm sure Cao Cao would have much rather liked to have sons like Dian Wei than the lot he produced. You are right when you Xu Chu was a much better warrior than Dian Wei. I'm not much of a fan of the Cao line in any way.
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